I’ve not heard either way. If Green Menace is available then that is a starter set too and is designed to be played without Undead Rising as a stand-alone game. You could try that. In some ways it’s more developed.
There is also DKH4 coming fairly soon, and that also has Undead aplenty 😉
I have Green Menace, I just thought it’d be cool to collect them all, as I liked the look of the Dwarf vs Undead demo vids from Beasts of War etc on Youtube. Maybe use both together and get the Ancient Grudge add on as well for a four way smackdown.
Ah, I see. It would be cool to collect them all as they combine very nicely (especially with AG) to make more than the sum of their parts. Perhaps it will be reprinted when we get to DKH4.
Jake what about maybe a Deluxe edition of Dwarf King’s Hold with all the current ones? I just found a new copy of Dead Rising and the miniatures are crazy detailed. Wish their was a aid to assembly. I have never done miniatures on sprues yet. Have to pick me up a set ok clippers next time I’m at the game store. Looking forward to seeing any news in the future of DK4.
I agree with Geoffrey regarding both the DKH having a Deluxe Edition or something with Dead Rising etc all in the one box. I also think that the miniatures inside -while there was nothing really wrong with the ones that came from KoW -and by extension, those in Project Pandora: Grim Cargo- it would have been awesome if they were easier to assemble for quick play, whether that means hole and post snap together models like from Gee Dubya Space Crusade or even the way the Dreadball season 1 and 2 figures tend to be post-hole-glue jobs, rather than a lesson in learning in patience and conversion/assembly skills.
Somewhat out of the loop and only just found out about these games. I’ve picked up Ancient Grudge and Green Menace. What is the third one of the set? I too would like to complete the set.
Sean the other main box is Dead Rising but their is also a monster set that I have seen. I at the moment only have Dead Rising but put the othe 3 on my list as well as eagerly waiting to here news about the next installment.
Dead Rising was the first set, now currently out of production, The Dungeon Monsters set is just that, it adds more figures. I’d like to get Dead Rising just to complete the collection and maybe the Dungeon Monsters add on as well perhaps…
Second this! Plus dungeon delves are even easier to rationale for a game. Add a few as yet unseen factions, use in this or KoW models… Maybe some rickety bridges, scaffolds, mining huts, tombs…
Multiplayer DKH would rock. Could be the Ultimate Dreadball version of DKH. Smaller parties if not a single character each, and each player could either have their own token pool or draw from the same one. Could make player initiative interesting.
I have Green Menace and Ancient Grudge sets. And I will be getting Dead Rising soon. I do like the custom warband builder in Ancient Grudge. I would like to see rules for additional races and units.
I am hoping that someone will come up with warband builder rules for Project Pandora too. Or will Deadzones new rules supersede PP rules?
Wouldn’t mind seeing a Mantic take on Space Crusade, esp with the Dreadball/DeadZone mechanics. Though I suppose DeadZone can work just fine, Campaign wise for 2 players…
on the mantic blog. from what the poster claims are comments from the last open day made by ronnie. I wasn’t there, so i have no idea. Just wanting to say again that i think this game on kickstarter would be a bigger success than deadzone (and i love deadzone) and would be well worth the effort to see it done. Keep up the great work!j
As of a conversation this morning, the latest news I have is that a final decision on the timing for DKH 4 has not yet been made. I’d like it sooner rather than later as well, but I also want it done with sufficient time to get it done to the highest standard we can, and that’s a case of having to fit in with all the other ongoing projects Mantic are up to 🙂
I would echo that. I’m eager for a game like this (was captivated by the Shadows of Brimstone ks project, have followed but ultimately am not going to back the Heroquest 25th anniversary project, absolutely love Deadzone, etc) and really do hope the project hits kickstarter some time in 2014.
I was able to find a copy of Dead Rising on ebay for around original retail price including shipping, and a copy of Ancient Grudge and Project Pandora at one of my local shops. Next stop will be the Mantic online store for Green Menace and the dungeon monsters. I do hope you’ll have the chance to return to both of these series soon. 😀
I just won eBay auction for both Ancient Grudge and Green Menace for $30. Both are new and even has the metal mini still. Now just need to pick up the monster pack. Then enjoy till DHK Kickstarter. Really looking forward to it. Just hope the box for the is one is a little more sturdy. Congrats on DBX Jake. I don’t envy you right now. Mar Attack rules, Dreabball Xtreme rules, DHK is rules, and all your other projects ideas floating around in that brilliant head.
Done right, with maybe campaign upgrades/experience tacked on and the ability to use ANY existing KoW model/unit that makes sense to have traipsing about below and it would. Love to see this grow into something at least on par in popularity as Heroquest and maybe Descent.
does anyone here happen to have a backstage pass for beastsofwar? I was curious if anyone who has listened to the recent “mantic future plans ” could say if ronnie mentioned anything about dhk4.
He mentioned it, but it’s only a few pounds to support the guy on BoW. Great future look at what Ronnie is thinking, plus all the other stuff that the guys for on. Well worth the money.
so ronnie mentions about a $100 base buy in with the possibility of an expansion but he doesn’t seem like he really want’s to “push” it quite as hard as some of the bigger brands. I’m of the opinion that this would be a big brand if they just wanted it to be.
Personally, I think that whether it will be a big brand or not depends on you guys more than Mantic. They’ll do all the usual things they do with a KS campaign, and I’ll do my best to make it a cracking game. In the end of the day though, how popular it is rests with you guys – how much buzz there is, how many people jump on board. Mantic and I can only do so much.
I’d love it to be a “big brand”. We’ll just have to wait and see how it goes. So far it’s looking pretty exciting 🙂
Did Ronnie mention a timeline for the kickstarter (i.e., would it start this year or later)? Did he give any more details?
Though I really don’t have the feel for the industry like Ronnie does, I can’t imagine this wouldn’t be a terrific hit that works well in their Kings of War universe, adds new figures to the line, and starts up a robust “Warhammer Quest” sort of successor. I much prefer fantasy over Sci Fi, though judging by 40K’s success over WHFB, Sci Fi might be the better bet these days?
This year at some point. I don’t know exactly. In fact, I’m not sure it’s been decided exactly when this will go live. Soon-ish sounds reasonable 😉
SF always outsells Fantasy in a global sense, unless you are LOTR. A few regions do better with Warhammer than 40K, for example, and some individual fantasy games do well, but overall spend is weighted to SF.
Depends on what you want Fantasy or Sci Fi. A good percentage would play D&D and want minis. Like anything it is down to setting, rules and do the models do it justice.
Mutant Chronicles the setting is awesome. Mutant Chronicles the movie was ok but NOOOOO! Ruined the vibe of the setting. Just hope WARZONE is not as bad as the movie!!!
Mutant Chronicles Steampunk WWI like the movie nope no way in hell burn it in fire. Stick to the original setting.
War of the Worlds Goliath setting awesome sauce. Nikolai Tesla, and WWI vibe plus Martians. Did someone say Walkers like STEEL BATTALION and walkers like DUST!!! Baron von Richtofen in a Tri-Plane killing Martians = EPIC! Feels like DUST VS Martians!
Customization wise Dreadzone & Dreadball Cooproration. Could go Japanese Corp theme Shadowrun Renraku, Mutant Chronicles Mishima RED SAMURAI. Then there is ARES more Greek Spartan themed Corp customization options abound. Robots Cybertronic! or SKYNET! Terratons TMNT.
Only thing you cannot really customize are the space chimps, makes you go wheres the monolith! Or omg where is Gunter, the bowler hat and are the space monkeys funded by Farnsworths Planet Express!! MUST LOVE MOM!!
So Captain Bitpo Martian Atomic Space Navy, have you seen the new Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection rules yet? If so, what do you think of them? Have you any knowledge of the 1st edition rules to compare it to if you have?
Possibly, though I’m not convinced. It also depends on how broadly you define fantasy, as many board games aren’t completely historical, but aren’t full of goblins and elves either.
@Jack With anything it depends on the Fantasy & Sci-Fi angle of the product your selling. The whole fantasy versus Sc-Fi is moot. It depends on the target market of whom you are aiming at.
Easy rules MANTIC!!! Cost Effectively getting into the hobby MANTIC!! Can I use stand in models in my army MANTIC.
Or do I have to go oooh “GW NAZI” MUST USE (TM) MODELS OR YOU DIE!! MANTIC ROCKS! Certain percentage of the models must be GW in tournaments. MANTIC Rocks because they have a great range, customize the hell out of it for sure. They are not “Games Workshop NAZIS”. Mix and match models and bits. Come up with your own. Paint existing ones MANTIC love that! All I can say is MANTIC MANTIC MANTIC! Grab your Kingdoms of Man, go to town Celtic, Samurai, Vivking etc.. Plus customize their existing line.
I am a fanboy of MANTIC. But I am also a fanboy of companies that produce products that people can play. And not spend stupid amounts of money on. Such as Mantics range,and HAWK’s Drop Zone Commander and Dust Tactics. Mantics is more ooh I wish I could have. Lets add another layer and veratility. Instead of my codex says I MUST have this and force me to spend stupid amounts per model and starter armies.
Nobody can make you use their models unless you’re attending one of their venues. Playing at home you can use whatever you like, and that goes for GW as much as anyone.
Hi Jake.
I am a long time player of DKH, and the other day I played one game of Skeletons vs Dwarfs using the Dungeon Journal of Dungeon Saga.
I was surprised, as the Journal uses the same rules of DS for DKH, introducing a change of how Rucks are managed.
If you remember, in DKH, rucks where several models were adjacent to several enemy models were split, so that each model should fight only one enemy model. This drastically reduced the -1 for outnumbered.
DS has simplifies rules for this and rucks are not split, hence, if these scenario, all the models will get the -1 for outnumbered.
When I played a DKH scenario using the new rules, I discovered they heavily favour the Necromancer Overlord. In scenarios where rucks used to be split, now they aren’t and the dwarfs get the -1 for outnumbered. However, skeleton warriors are not affected by the -1 as they are already at their minimum (2 dice, 1 armour).
I understand the change in the rules was intended to simplify the ruck splitting rule, which was a bit tricky sometimes… but I wonder if you would advice to use the old rules when DKH playing with the necromancer overlord or what your thoughts are…
I myself think that I’m going to use the new simplified rules everywhere except in scenarios with too many skeleton warriors in place, as they may favour them too much. But when models have higher stats the change gets compensated with -1 for both sides…
I’ve played the DKH stuff using Dungeon Saga style rules and it isn’t too shabby. Heck, I even poached DS’s LOS rule for Project Pandora, and it made the Yodobashi Maru mission so much more easier (for the Marines.)
Quirkworthy 
Will there be any further runs of the Dwarf King’s Hold: Dead Rising set?
I’ve not heard either way. If Green Menace is available then that is a starter set too and is designed to be played without Undead Rising as a stand-alone game. You could try that. In some ways it’s more developed.
There is also DKH4 coming fairly soon, and that also has Undead aplenty 😉
I have Green Menace, I just thought it’d be cool to collect them all, as I liked the look of the Dwarf vs Undead demo vids from Beasts of War etc on Youtube. Maybe use both together and get the Ancient Grudge add on as well for a four way smackdown.
Ah, I see. It would be cool to collect them all as they combine very nicely (especially with AG) to make more than the sum of their parts. Perhaps it will be reprinted when we get to DKH4.
Jake what about maybe a Deluxe edition of Dwarf King’s Hold with all the current ones? I just found a new copy of Dead Rising and the miniatures are crazy detailed. Wish their was a aid to assembly. I have never done miniatures on sprues yet. Have to pick me up a set ok clippers next time I’m at the game store. Looking forward to seeing any news in the future of DK4.
I agree with Geoffrey regarding both the DKH having a Deluxe Edition or something with Dead Rising etc all in the one box. I also think that the miniatures inside -while there was nothing really wrong with the ones that came from KoW -and by extension, those in Project Pandora: Grim Cargo- it would have been awesome if they were easier to assemble for quick play, whether that means hole and post snap together models like from Gee Dubya Space Crusade or even the way the Dreadball season 1 and 2 figures tend to be post-hole-glue jobs, rather than a lesson in learning in patience and conversion/assembly skills.
Somewhat out of the loop and only just found out about these games. I’ve picked up Ancient Grudge and Green Menace. What is the third one of the set? I too would like to complete the set.
Sean the other main box is Dead Rising but their is also a monster set that I have seen. I at the moment only have Dead Rising but put the othe 3 on my list as well as eagerly waiting to here news about the next installment.
Dead Rising was the first set, now currently out of production, The Dungeon Monsters set is just that, it adds more figures. I’d like to get Dead Rising just to complete the collection and maybe the Dungeon Monsters add on as well perhaps…
Any word on a Dwarf Kings Hold Kickstarter? Would love to see a nice set with terrain, a la Deadzone and Mars Attacks.
Second this! Plus dungeon delves are even easier to rationale for a game. Add a few as yet unseen factions, use in this or KoW models… Maybe some rickety bridges, scaffolds, mining huts, tombs…
hope to see a DKH co-op version, like zombicide or arkham horror 😛
Multiplayer DKH would rock. Could be the Ultimate Dreadball version of DKH. Smaller parties if not a single character each, and each player could either have their own token pool or draw from the same one. Could make player initiative interesting.
I have Green Menace and Ancient Grudge sets. And I will be getting Dead Rising soon. I do like the custom warband builder in Ancient Grudge. I would like to see rules for additional races and units.
I am hoping that someone will come up with warband builder rules for Project Pandora too. Or will Deadzones new rules supersede PP rules?
Deadzone isn’t intended to replace PP. They’re both quite different games to play even if they are both small scale SF games.
Any possibility of a DKH4 update before the new year? Really looking forward to this one.
would love to hear any info on dkh4 as well……
Wouldn’t mind seeing a Mantic take on Space Crusade, esp with the Dreadball/DeadZone mechanics. Though I suppose DeadZone can work just fine, Campaign wise for 2 players…
It certainly can.
i’m reading elsewhere that dhk4 will be pushed back to 2015.Is there any truth to this? that would be very disappointing if true.
Where did you read that?
on the mantic blog. from what the poster claims are comments from the last open day made by ronnie. I wasn’t there, so i have no idea. Just wanting to say again that i think this game on kickstarter would be a bigger success than deadzone (and i love deadzone) and would be well worth the effort to see it done. Keep up the great work!j
Thanks Jack.
As of a conversation this morning, the latest news I have is that a final decision on the timing for DKH 4 has not yet been made. I’d like it sooner rather than later as well, but I also want it done with sufficient time to get it done to the highest standard we can, and that’s a case of having to fit in with all the other ongoing projects Mantic are up to 🙂
I would echo that. I’m eager for a game like this (was captivated by the Shadows of Brimstone ks project, have followed but ultimately am not going to back the Heroquest 25th anniversary project, absolutely love Deadzone, etc) and really do hope the project hits kickstarter some time in 2014.
My vote is for early 2014. 🙂
Early 2014 is unlikely, because something else is currently slated for that 😉
early or later I just hope it is in 2014!
🙂
I will choose to beleive that the above smiley face does indeed mean we will get the game this year. Please, oh please let it be this year!
I really can’t tell you as I really don’t know. Honest.
I was able to find a copy of Dead Rising on ebay for around original retail price including shipping, and a copy of Ancient Grudge and Project Pandora at one of my local shops. Next stop will be the Mantic online store for Green Menace and the dungeon monsters. I do hope you’ll have the chance to return to both of these series soon. 😀
So do I 🙂
So apparently a mini kickstarter later this year says ronnie. I feel like celebrating!!!!!
What the heck is a *mini* kickstarter?!?
Take one kickstarter… shrink it somewhat. Raise pinky finger to lips and then raise eyebrow. “Mini” Kickstarter!
I was thinking the same thing. Am I the only one who thinks this could bigger than the dreadball extreme they just ran?
.
I just won eBay auction for both Ancient Grudge and Green Menace for $30. Both are new and even has the metal mini still. Now just need to pick up the monster pack. Then enjoy till DHK Kickstarter. Really looking forward to it. Just hope the box for the is one is a little more sturdy. Congrats on DBX Jake. I don’t envy you right now. Mar Attack rules, Dreabball Xtreme rules, DHK is rules, and all your other projects ideas floating around in that brilliant head.
Done right, with maybe campaign upgrades/experience tacked on and the ability to use ANY existing KoW model/unit that makes sense to have traipsing about below and it would. Love to see this grow into something at least on par in popularity as Heroquest and maybe Descent.
agreed. would love to see this become a heavily supported mainstay in the industry and I believe mantic are just the ones to do it!
any teency tiny chance of a hint or vague impression of when we could maybe possibly see the dhk4 kickstarter?……..
I know… I’ve been wondering, now that DBX is over, when would be an appropriate time to broach this very important topic! Too soon?
does anyone here happen to have a backstage pass for beastsofwar? I was curious if anyone who has listened to the recent “mantic future plans ” could say if ronnie mentioned anything about dhk4.
Let me know if he did.
He mentioned it, but it’s only a few pounds to support the guy on BoW. Great future look at what Ronnie is thinking, plus all the other stuff that the guys for on. Well worth the money.
so ronnie mentions about a $100 base buy in with the possibility of an expansion but he doesn’t seem like he really want’s to “push” it quite as hard as some of the bigger brands. I’m of the opinion that this would be a big brand if they just wanted it to be.
Personally, I think that whether it will be a big brand or not depends on you guys more than Mantic. They’ll do all the usual things they do with a KS campaign, and I’ll do my best to make it a cracking game. In the end of the day though, how popular it is rests with you guys – how much buzz there is, how many people jump on board. Mantic and I can only do so much.
I’d love it to be a “big brand”. We’ll just have to wait and see how it goes. So far it’s looking pretty exciting 🙂
Did Ronnie mention a timeline for the kickstarter (i.e., would it start this year or later)? Did he give any more details?
Though I really don’t have the feel for the industry like Ronnie does, I can’t imagine this wouldn’t be a terrific hit that works well in their Kings of War universe, adds new figures to the line, and starts up a robust “Warhammer Quest” sort of successor. I much prefer fantasy over Sci Fi, though judging by 40K’s success over WHFB, Sci Fi might be the better bet these days?
I do hope we see DKH4 sometime soon-ish!
This year at some point. I don’t know exactly. In fact, I’m not sure it’s been decided exactly when this will go live. Soon-ish sounds reasonable 😉
SF always outsells Fantasy in a global sense, unless you are LOTR. A few regions do better with Warhammer than 40K, for example, and some individual fantasy games do well, but overall spend is weighted to SF.
Depends on what you want Fantasy or Sci Fi. A good percentage would play D&D and want minis. Like anything it is down to setting, rules and do the models do it justice.
Mutant Chronicles the setting is awesome. Mutant Chronicles the movie was ok but NOOOOO! Ruined the vibe of the setting. Just hope WARZONE is not as bad as the movie!!!
Mutant Chronicles Steampunk WWI like the movie nope no way in hell burn it in fire. Stick to the original setting.
War of the Worlds Goliath setting awesome sauce. Nikolai Tesla, and WWI vibe plus Martians. Did someone say Walkers like STEEL BATTALION and walkers like DUST!!! Baron von Richtofen in a Tri-Plane killing Martians = EPIC! Feels like DUST VS Martians!
Customization wise Dreadzone & Dreadball Cooproration. Could go Japanese Corp theme Shadowrun Renraku, Mutant Chronicles Mishima RED SAMURAI. Then there is ARES more Greek Spartan themed Corp customization options abound. Robots Cybertronic! or SKYNET! Terratons TMNT.
Only thing you cannot really customize are the space chimps, makes you go wheres the monolith! Or omg where is Gunter, the bowler hat and are the space monkeys funded by Farnsworths Planet Express!! MUST LOVE MOM!!
So Captain Bitpo Martian Atomic Space Navy, have you seen the new Mutant Chronicles Warzone Resurrection rules yet? If so, what do you think of them? Have you any knowledge of the 1st edition rules to compare it to if you have?
is that true in the boardgame world as well? i would think fantasy outsells SF in the board game realm.
Possibly, though I’m not convinced. It also depends on how broadly you define fantasy, as many board games aren’t completely historical, but aren’t full of goblins and elves either.
@Jack With anything it depends on the Fantasy & Sci-Fi angle of the product your selling. The whole fantasy versus Sc-Fi is moot. It depends on the target market of whom you are aiming at.
Easy rules MANTIC!!! Cost Effectively getting into the hobby MANTIC!! Can I use stand in models in my army MANTIC.
Or do I have to go oooh “GW NAZI” MUST USE (TM) MODELS OR YOU DIE!! MANTIC ROCKS! Certain percentage of the models must be GW in tournaments. MANTIC Rocks because they have a great range, customize the hell out of it for sure. They are not “Games Workshop NAZIS”. Mix and match models and bits. Come up with your own. Paint existing ones MANTIC love that! All I can say is MANTIC MANTIC MANTIC! Grab your Kingdoms of Man, go to town Celtic, Samurai, Vivking etc.. Plus customize their existing line.
I am a fanboy of MANTIC. But I am also a fanboy of companies that produce products that people can play. And not spend stupid amounts of money on. Such as Mantics range,and HAWK’s Drop Zone Commander and Dust Tactics. Mantics is more ooh I wish I could have. Lets add another layer and veratility. Instead of my codex says I MUST have this and force me to spend stupid amounts per model and starter armies.
Nobody can make you use their models unless you’re attending one of their venues. Playing at home you can use whatever you like, and that goes for GW as much as anyone.
I love skirmish games and I love dungeon crawls so I am very much looking forward to DKH IV here in the US.
One more comment the market is ripe for a Heroquest/Warhammer quest type game. Which Descent is not I might add.
Hi Jake.
I am a long time player of DKH, and the other day I played one game of Skeletons vs Dwarfs using the Dungeon Journal of Dungeon Saga.
I was surprised, as the Journal uses the same rules of DS for DKH, introducing a change of how Rucks are managed.
If you remember, in DKH, rucks where several models were adjacent to several enemy models were split, so that each model should fight only one enemy model. This drastically reduced the -1 for outnumbered.
DS has simplifies rules for this and rucks are not split, hence, if these scenario, all the models will get the -1 for outnumbered.
When I played a DKH scenario using the new rules, I discovered they heavily favour the Necromancer Overlord. In scenarios where rucks used to be split, now they aren’t and the dwarfs get the -1 for outnumbered. However, skeleton warriors are not affected by the -1 as they are already at their minimum (2 dice, 1 armour).
I understand the change in the rules was intended to simplify the ruck splitting rule, which was a bit tricky sometimes… but I wonder if you would advice to use the old rules when DKH playing with the necromancer overlord or what your thoughts are…
I myself think that I’m going to use the new simplified rules everywhere except in scenarios with too many skeleton warriors in place, as they may favour them too much. But when models have higher stats the change gets compensated with -1 for both sides…
Cheers!
I’ve played the DKH stuff using Dungeon Saga style rules and it isn’t too shabby. Heck, I even poached DS’s LOS rule for Project Pandora, and it made the Yodobashi Maru mission so much more easier (for the Marines.)