Deadzone: Infinite Fights

Plague-lord-fin-009Probably the most common question I’m asked about Deadzone are about linked Fights. This has been called several things like daisy chain combats, infinite fights and so on, and according to some folk it’s the most over-powerful thing going. Opinions differ though, and I’m one of those who hasn’t found it a problem. There are some subtleties in this area of the rules, so to make sure we’re all on the same page I thought I’d go through the process in detail and then discuss the issues that have been raised.

I’ll start with the basics.

 

How It Works

A model moves into a cube containing one or more enemies. This requires them to Fight one of those enemies immediately, as part of that Move action¹.

If the attacker doubles the target model then they can make either a free Fight action (if there are still enemy models in that cube) or a free Move action (if he’s already killed them all). If he takes the free Move and there is an enemy model in an adjacent cube then he can Move in and will have to Fight that model too – again, as part of that (free in this case) Move action.

Assuming that the attacking model doubles every single attack they will keep getting free actions. However, remember that a free action cannot trigger another free action of the same type, so no free Fight – free Fight. Note also that the Fight included as part of a Move action is not a separate free action – it’s an intrinsic part of the Move action.

 

Long Range Version

This sequence can be combined with Move cards and extra actions from Command tests to give a melee model a very long range (probably most of the tabletop at the extreme end). At least, it can in theory.

 

Limitations

Getting this to work requires everything to go right for the attacker. A single break in this chain and the whole thing stops dead. Most stages require a dice roll to work, and some require use of a limited resource. All require your opponent to help you (and why would they do that?) or be unaware of the tactic.

For the long range version you need a model that can use a Command action, is close enough to the attacking model, and doesn’t need to use their action(s) for anything else (like staying alive). You also need to have a token left in your Command Pool. These tokens are in very limited supply, so if you use one for something then it’d better be worthwhile. If all this is true then you still need to make the command test. It’s not that hard to do, but it is a dice roll and we all know how they can be 😉

Ideally you want a Move card in your hand as well.

The long version will involve at least 2 actions that the other side can potentially Overwatch against. If the moving model is Pinned, Suppressed, Injured or Killed in either of these actions, then the “infinite Fight” is over before it starts.

Even in a normal Turn, without the benefit of Command actions or extra Move cards, there are many things that have to go right for an attacker to pull off anything spectacular. To start with he has to double his first opponent in the Fight. This is likely in some combinations and less so in others. It’s never guaranteed.

In order to cascade this into a series of Fights against multiple enemies you have to get the right results every time, plus the enemy have to be positioned in the right way. For example, let’s say we have an attacking model called Attacker, and a set of 2 target models in 2 different, adjacent cubes called Targets A and B.

The Attacker takes a Move action and moves into the cube containing Target A. As part of this Move, he must now Fight Target A. They roll for the combat and the following results are possible:

  1. Attacker loses. Fight chain ends.
  2. Attacker wins, but fails to double. Fight chain ends.
  3. Attacker doubles, and doesn’t kill Target A. Attacker may take a free Fight action or choose to stop. He cannot take a free Move action as there is still an enemy model in the cube. They roll again and the same results are possible in this Fight. However, in order for the chain to continue, the Attacker must get result 4. If he gets result 3 then he can no longer take a free Fight because a free action cannot generate another one of the same type.
  4. Attacker doubles, and kills Target A. Attacker may take a free Move and go into the adjacent cube containing Target B. This will cause an immediate Fight as part of that free Move. This time, if the Attacker kills Target B in one roll then they cannot take a free Fight (no targets in left to Fight in the cube) or a free Move (because that was the free action that triggered it).

Things are different if there are 2 or 3 enemy models in a cube, but I’m sure you get the general idea.

The limit on repeating free actions is a major restriction here. If the enemy aren’t stacked up in exactly the right way, and you don’t roll exactly the right results every time, then your “infinite” Fights won’t last long. This limit on sequencing can be forgotten in the heat of battle and may account for this seeming to be more dangerous than it actually is.

Of course, if your enemy knows that this is possible they can try to either avoid the potential chain by positioning their models carefully, or use it to their advantage to lay a trap². Protect some models and leave others out as bait to get the enemy to go where you want them to. Into the sights of overwatching heavy weapons would be a preference for me. And for those who suggest that the attack simply suppresses the overwatchers first, I agree: that would be a grand plan. However, it assumes that you can see them. If an attack has to move into an enemy position (as melee assaults tend to) then it is likely that at least some of the overwatchers can be positioned so that they are not visible from the enemy lines, where the supporting models are. They will come into view only when the attacking model has advanced.

 

Thoughts

This is a nasty trick that experienced players can use to flatten novices. It’s also something that a lucky player can pull off against an unwary or careless opponent. It is, in my view, a perfectly reasonable tactic to attempt, but that view has a caveat: both players need to know it’s possible.

It’s not much fun losing to a trick you didn’t know was there, whether it’s this trick or any of the others. If, on the other hand, it’s a trick you know about, could employ yourself, are aware of possible counters and have just either been careless, taken a risk or been outfoxed, then this is all part of the contest of wits. I have spent quite a bit of time trying to layer in a series of different tactics and counter-tactics into Deadzone, some of which are more obvious than others. Some only work with certain factions or with certain models. As normal in any game, many of these tactics are particularly nasty the first time you encounter them, and this seems fair enough to me. If we play and I lose then I learn, rethink and come back with a plan to counter you. It may take a few goes for me to come up with an equally nasty surprise, and then the circle starts again, but reversed. This tactical equivalent of an arms race seems to me to be one of the more interesting things about gaming. If it was the same every time it’d be dull.

Pulling this off against an opponent that’s aware of the possibilities should be seen as an achievement, just as any other plan that bears fruit. It is hard to do though. Scarletsquig asked why I didn’t just remove this possibility if it was so rare. That’s simple. It’s all about balancing the relative usefulness of melee and ranged troops. There are many very nasty shooting tricks (aim, weak spot, clear shot, etc) and these can all be done at no risk to the Shooting model. I’ve seen more battles won by overwhelming shooting than I have overwhelming melee power. Both are possible, and both can be devastating if done right (and with a bit of luck). As the melee beasties have got to get past all that shooting stuff to do anything at all they need a nasty trick of their own if they get up close. Even if it’s hard to get right, even if it is rare, it’s something that makes an opponent wary. And when we’re talking about huge, plague-ridden monstrosities, wary is what you should be.

 

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1: This last bit is very important: the Fight caused by moving into a cube is part of that Move action, not a separate Fight action (free or otherwise). In the initial print run of the rulebook the relevant wording was “… it will Fight for free as part of that action.” This was confusing as “for free” didn’t mean it was a free action, just that it happened as a bonus without costing you another action. My bad. The second print run of the book fixed some typos and included some minor corrections (see the FAQ), one of which was to change this line to “… it will Fight as part of that action“. The rule hasn’t changed, it’s just been made less confusing. Again, the critical bit here is that this Fight is part of the Move action.

2: Positioning is a key aspect of the game, and there is rarely an ideal solution. The game is also designed to generally work better for a fluid set of positions. Static defences are weak in most DZ situations – keep moving! The board is a small area and it can be hard to get away from threats with long reaches. But this is part of the point. The area is intentionally cramped and claustrophobic to better represent the nature of close quarter battle.

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15 Responses to Deadzone: Infinite Fights

  1. Matt Price says:

    A big problem I have with this tactic is that is just “feels” wrong. It just doesn’t seem right that a well placed melee fighter could rip through cube after cube of foes in a single turn, as a single activation of that model. I realize it’s very rare, but it feels like a bug of the rules, not a valid tactic. Hasn’t come up in our games yet, but with the board so small, I can’t see how this wouldn’t happen to regular players of the game.

    Am very curious to hear what others say.

    • Quirkworthy says:

      It is the melee equivalent of a sniper being above a target in the open with a weak spot card. It’s something you can try to engineer, but needs one side to do well and the other to make an error to pull off perfectly.

      It’s not a bug at all – it’s entirely intentional and a signature part of balancing Fight-oriented models. It was, in fact, added to the game during playtesting to make them more viable, interesting and challenging to play. Early playtesting saw them shot to pieces before they arrived, and any that did arrive were not able to pull back enough to balance it out.

  2. It might also be worth reminding people too (assuming I’m right in this…) that if the Defender doubles the Attacker (it happens often enough when I’m charging with my Teraton), that the Defender is NOT obligated to take the ‘Free Fight’ action made available to them.

    I got this wrong quite often in my first couple of games. My Teraton would charge in, fluff her rolls, opponent would double, not injure me, take the Free Fight action, which I’d then win because my dice were behaving themselves again, and then the ‘infinite fight’ would start.

  3. GrimDork says:

    The few models that have Knockback melee weapons can take advantage of this too, and are a little better at forcing a chain. The extra action is triggered by the double fight, so they move-fight > double + knockback > free action move to follow the shunted target> move-fight > double + knockback > free action move. I think, at least, that is correct? The Mauler suit could do this, though I’m not sure who else has a knockback weapon off the top of my head. He can use this technique to get his first victim adjacent to another target, switch to his AP melee weapon for the kill, and continue the daisy chain. All, of course, dependent on luck for actually doubling those fights.

    I think this is something to be avoided, a pitfall to help complicate the tactical aspect of the game. It’s a bit more subtle than not leaving things out in the open, but it should be totally manageable once you know it exists. And I could totally see a combat monster running amok through an unprepared cluster of enemy targets, possibly too hesitant to shoot their own comrades or unable to ready their weapons before they’re ally is down and they’ve also been charged.

    • GrimDork says:

      Certainly, the first point works a lot better if the Mauler is pushing around an enforcer and not a human reb or something, so that the target has a hard time dying even though he’s losing the fights consistently.

    • MrPyro says:

      “The extra action is triggered by the double fight, so they move-fight > double + knockback > free action move to follow the shunted target> move-fight > double + knockback > free action move.”

      I don’t think that’s a valid chain of actions

      Move-Fight
      Double and knockback
      Free Move to follow up + Fight
      Double and Knockback
      You may not take a free Move action at this point as your last free action was also a Move action.

      Your only option is free Fight or stop. It has also been stated that Knockback is not optional, so you can’t choose not to knock them back to keep them in the same cube to take the free Fight instead.

  4. Josh says:

    Thank you for the clarification!!! I have been definitely playing this differently and it has allowed for a lot more infinite/daisy-chained fights that I believe won’t be an issue now!!!

  5. jasb87 says:

    Thank you for this Jake, that slight change to the description of fighting as part of a move has huge implications that I never realised and it severely limits the effectiveness of the ‘infinite fight’ chain.

    If I understand correctly then, you cannot blitz through individual models, (individual being the operative word there), in adjacent cubes as after the second enemy has been killed with a double you are generating subsequent free move actions? To continue the chain any further you would need, as you mentioned, move cards or command points used successfully at the correct time.

    However if I have this right you could, (without the use of move cards/command points), chain any number of fights, doubles dependent, across cubes containing two enemy models. Cube A contains two enemies. You move in double and kill one this generates a free fight action. You double and kill the second model generating a free move action. This allows you to move into Cube B containing two models and fight as part of that action. Doubling and killing the first enemy generates a free fight and another double and a kill will generate another free move, and so on.

    However as you said the chances of this are very small and require some unfortunate placement by your opponent. I think the biggest issue for the majority people has been the misunderstanding about the Fight from a Move action being intrinsic to the Move action itself. Understanding that the Move and Fight are effectively one action combined alters the situation hugely and makes the way these free actions are chained together much easier to comprehend.

    Keep up the good work. I doubt I’m the only one who appreciates the time you’re taking to respond to these matters.

  6. Kevin Bates says:

    Point 3 raises some good points that I was unaware of per my casual reading of the book and limited play.

    Thanks for clarifying!

  7. scarletsquig says:

    Another (smarter) variant I probably should have mentioned earlier – shorter range, but much more lethal… move into combat kill, move, kill.. normally it ends here. Not if you have a move card! You can use it to do another move, kill, move, kill. This is usually the more reliable option for killing 4 models in one activation and is the optimal point to play the move card, to repair a break in the free action chain.

    All you need for this variant is a mawbeast (or the dreaded plague swarm!) within 3 cubes of an enemy and a move card. Much less of a gamble since you don’t blow your move card on the initial dash, but instead use it to turn an already successful combat into a game-winner.

    With marauders you can even use a command action to sprint a mawbeast after it has made 2 kills, at which point positioning as a means of avoiding the thing is really difficult since you’d need to keep models on the same level 3 cubes apart.

    • Quirkworthy says:

      I agree that this is a better use of the Move cards… most of the time. Like most of the other tactical options, they’re situational.

    • jasb87 says:

      This could well lead to a reduction in first turn combats if people are more inclined to keep hold of their move cards or command points to use at a later date. Also it should reduce the effectiveness of command points as you are going to need at least two successes as the model will already have activated and often three as it is likely to be half way across the board.

      As a result mawbeasts/plague swarms are going to be much easier to counter as they are either going to have to take a couple of turns to get into combat, giving your opponent some breathing space or time to put some damage/suppression their way, or they limit their effectiveness in turn 1 by generally only being able to kill 2 models. Not a great result for whoever is getting attacked but better than losing 3 or 4 when everyone is bunched up in corner deployment.

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